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Local man arrested for animal cruelty

Tuesday, September 14, 2010

According to a report by Nadia Ramdass of KENS 5, a television station in San Antonio, Texas, a local man was arrested after abandoning a trailer holding seven horses in San Antonio.

According to the San Antonio Police Department, Justin Harvey, 41, of Fort Scott was arrested Sept. 2 and charged with cruelty to livestock. He later posted $5,000 bond.

The report said Harvey's tractor trailer broke down along Interstate 35 sometime on Sept. 1. The next morning a passerby noticed the horses inside the trailer at a truck stop and called Animal Care Services and 911.

A veterinarian who was on the scene said the horses most likely had not had anything to eat or drink for at least eight hours. Even though the trailer was vented, the authorities said the temperatures inside the trailer were between 130 and 140 degrees Fahrenheit, the report said.

As a result, two of the seven horses in the trailer had died and the others were determined to be in serious distress and severely malnourished.

The horses being transported came from Tucker Brothers, LLC, a local horse-trading operation run by Raymond Tucker. Tucker told The Tribune that he had sold the horses to a man in South Fort Worth, Texas and that the horses were being returned because they were considered to be undesirable.

"It was just an unfortunate incident and poor judgment on [Harvey's] part," Tucker said. He later added, "The horses had been mine and I sold them to a guy that I've been selling horses to ... they take them onto the border."

Tucker said his knowledge of the incident is "sketchy" but he was told that Harvey's truck broke down and that he watered the horses prior to leaving for the night while waiting for his truck to be fixed. He said animal rights activists are always in the area waiting for someone to make a mistake. He said the horses were sent back because the Mexicans will not allow a horse to cross the border if it has a puncture wound, hernia, or an open sore.

"It's just the Mexicans jacking with you because they can," he said.

According to the report, Harvey said the horses had been purchased in Eagle Pass, Texas, and were being transported to Kansas when the truck broke down.

Tucker added, he feels the charges will eventually be dropped.

"It won't end up to a rat's a - -," he said. "It's just stirring up more publicity that doesn't need to be stirred up. That's the way I feel about it."

Tucker later added, "That was the situation, an unfortunate situation ... All I can tell ya is s - - - happens."

Tucker attributed the condition of the horses to the fact that they had been in Texas at the Mexican border for a week before they were sent back. He added that in El Paso, Texas, it costs $200 to have a dead horse unloaded if it dies during transit.

"If you lose a horse in transit, which is common on killer type horses, why, they are going to charge you 200 bucks to unload him," he said. "Well I'll just leave him on my truck and I can haul him back home and bury him with a Bobcat for a lot less than 200 bucks."

Tucker went on to say that there are two female veterinarians in Mexico that have a reputation for rejecting horses that do not please them, which could also describe the condition of the horses in Harvey's trailer.

"For Christ's sake, they are going to a slaughter house, but if they've got anything that's not just to suit these two Mexican women veterinarians, the kick them back and that's what this kid had on his truck," he said.

According to the report, the five surviving horses are currently under the care of ACS and Horse Rescue.

To view the video of Nadia Ramdass's report on KENS 5 visit www.kens5.com/home/Good-Samaritan--10211...


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Talk about stories that make the people here not look good - this is a real gem! Being critical of two women vets in Mexico because they don't want sick horses coming into the country? Too bad they aren't the ones in Kansas that come out to inspect when someone makes a call about cruelty to animals. These stories about the horses just make me ill. I think maybe it is time that several people start making inquiries about this. And, I don't care what one individual might have said about the situation or what their title was when they said it. No one should have to watch animals suffering and not be able to do something about it. Really, would you want to stand in a field sick and be transported to Mexico for slaughter in the name of "profit"? I do not consider this humane treatment.

-- Posted by EyesOpen on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 7:59 AM

EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING A TREND HERE? CAN ANYBODY SAY DE-JA-VU? DOES IT NOT STRIKE ANYONE ELSE ODD THAT IT IS THE "TUCKER" NAME ONCE AGAIN ASSOCIATED WITH ANIMAL CRUELTY? IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A DUCK -- IT'S A DUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by 3DN74 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 10:36 AM

View the KENS video, and find out more of the story.

Unfortunately, too many times we are finding lack of compassion versus profits. I am not a "tree hugger", and yes these are animals, but as a Christian we are given the authority as stewards of the earth to take care of that which is put under us (earth and animals). These were put on earth to serve and sustain us, but we are not to abuse these resources...and abuse is what we are seeing here.

-- Posted by iluv ftscott on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 11:59 AM

What an unethical heartless JERK Raymond Tucker and his posse are...they should be locked in a hot trailer for days without water or food...Put this barbarian out of the horse business...I do not trust the local "sheriff" investigating the conditions out there..I am sure they are cronies...Do you know there is a barn there where horses are kept in absolute total darkness for probably days or weeks on end?...You cannot see your hand in front of your face..so no ventilation either...what an absolute pathetic human being...why do we say people act like animals?...when people like this act worse than any animal I am aware of...?

-- Posted by Barbwired on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 12:34 PM

What would you people recommend Tucker do?

Air condition the trailer?... or give Harvey extra expense money for situations like this and check them all in at a Holiday Inn.

-- Posted by Lightning on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 2:48 PM

This is not a first or last for the Tuckers. We dont expect ac for a horse trailer,but we do expect food and water for them. How many days would they have been in this situation if someone had not called.Bless the people who made the call.So, they were on the way to slaughter. The least you could of done is make the last few days while alive a little easier for them. Instead, you have chosen to make them suffer. Have some compassion. Give Justin Harvey more money! Yeah, not a bad idea. Maybe then he could of called someone to do something about the situation he was in. Again, he chose to save his own behind! Raymond Tucker and Justin Harvey need to get the story straight.

-- Posted by toodles on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 7:53 PM

>>he chose to save his own..........

What would you have done under the same circumstance?.....used Motel 8 instead of Holiday Inn since its cheaper?

No difference than a refer hauling produce that breaks down and the load spoiling.

-- Posted by Lightning on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 8:10 PM

Could a person call local authorities for help? They could possibly have found a place to put the animals until the vehicle problems are taken care of & he can get on the road again. I've known of situations locally where someone had a problem of some sort & folks were good about taking in their animals for awhile.

-- Posted by Fort Scott Resident on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 10:44 PM

No difference than a refer hauling produce that breaks down and the load spoiling.

-- Posted by Lightning

Well we know you are no trucker. If defenitly is different hauling livestock and produce. That driver makes truck drivers look bad. He could have called a company that would have came out & pulled his tractor out from under the trailer & hooked up to the trailer & took the horses to a farmer or livestock auction in the area. That is what you do. The reason he didn't is it cost money and he didn't want to spend it. And with produce the driver would have to pay lots of money for the lose of the cargo. Mr. Tucker ownes that load so it is his lose & he don't care. I hope the courts make him pay for the care of the horses and give him a fine large enough to make him think twice if he is that situation again. Hopefully the USDA will step in also since they are slaughter horses. It would be nice if the Federal Motor Carrier Adm would do a compliance review on the trucking company.

-- Posted by truckerbuddy on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 6:29 AM

I also suggest everyone in that community watch Mr Tucker like a hawk. Document everything and report to local police to build a paper trail. Get copies of your reports. Also contact the state Agriculture Dept. Make the paper trail. Document, document everything.

-- Posted by truckerbuddy on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM

?????????????

-- Posted by forward on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 8:40 AM

USA would not have as much of a need for horse slaughter if "horse people," or people claiming to be horse people, were more educated, and responsible about breeding. Everyone reading this probably knows of a person who is trying to sell an unsellable horse. It's because of irresponsible breeders, and uneducated people that get in over their heads, that slaughter dealers even have a job. Owning horses is expensive and it takes complete commitment to the welfare and training of that animal. No one wants to buy a "problem" horse.

-- Posted by shaunthesheep on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 9:48 AM

I have never heard of Mexico refusing ANY horses for slaughter. There is no way, horses being hauled long distance aren't going to end up hurt, ill or whatever. These stories don't add up, and somebody is lying. US has strict laws concerning import and export of horses, especially to Europe, or from Europe, but it's scary to think they can just come thru the border of Mexico. That's how disease gets spread. Also agree with whoever commented on not breeding. Too many unknowledgeable people breeding, just to breed horses. I see them all over the county. the horses look awful, and it's quite obvious they aren't being taken care of, much less vaccinated.

Too many people breeding grade horses too. Quit breeding!

-- Posted by noabuse on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 10:03 AM

Both Tucker, and Harvey have conflicting stories. They are both lying. Tucker needs to be watched.

-- Posted by noabuse on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 1:36 PM

I talked with the State this morning. They said to keep them posted but that it is in the hands of the County prosecutors because the "people" wanted local control which says a lot about what people want to allow in a particular area. Also, I would encourage those that really care beyond posting here to contact Senator Marshall and Rep. Palmer and express your concerns. Involve the animal welfare groups as much as possible. Is it not chilling that we live in a town with a person or people that would compare a living animal dying in the back of a hot truck without food or water to finished meat spoiling? Can't they put a sick, weak and suffering horse to sleep rather than make them endure pain and suffering until they have enough weight to be hauled in a truck to Mexico for slaughter? Thumbs up for the vets in Mexico that reject these horses from coming into their country.

-- Posted by EyesOpen on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 1:38 PM

If we had slaughter houses in America for horses, this wouldn't be an issue and the horses wouldn't have to sustain long hours in a trailer. Raymond is a business man and horses are his business. No, he doesn't flatter himself in this article but he's right...things likes this happen.

-- Posted by mario03 on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 5:35 PM

Mario, yes we need the slaughter houses back here in this country. But Tucker's and Harvey's stories are completely different. Havey could have called authrities in Texas and they would have made arrangements for the horses to stay somewhere like a fairgrounds etc. But look at the video, this didn't look like a canner horse. His feet had recently been done and his weight was decent. I would be more inclined to have a vet search the mares..for drugs coming in from Mexico.This whole story stinks to high heaven.

-- Posted by noabuse on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 6:36 PM

First of all - I'd like to say that I am a horse owner...have been my whole life.

I do not agree with animal cruelty of any sort. But I do understand the horse industry a little better than others who don't own horses.

People aren't "breeding" grade horses for slaughter these days. Most of the horses going to slaughter are registered horses that have aged and no one wants to watch die in their pasture. People are turned in for animal cruelty because the poor animal doesn't have any teeth and can't eat grass any longer.

It used to be, that people did breed horses - grade horses - for slaughter. But what's happening now is also very cruel. People are dumping horses. This is so very sad, like I mentioned before, because a lot of these animals don't have the ability to process the nutrients they need to survive - so again, they starve.

The beef market was created by people for people who consume beef. I know a lot of people out there don't want to hear it, but there is a market - in Europe - for equine meat. With the elimination of the slaughter houses there has been a huge decline in the equine market and an increase in the number of neglected/dumped and unwanted horses - papers or no.

Again, please understand - I know the purpose of the slaughter houses - don't agree with the breeding of animals we see as pets for those houses, but understand.

I also want to re-iterate: Animal cruelty of any sort is not to be tolerated - those animals in the trailer should have been unloaded into another trailer and housed/pastured nearby until another form of transport could be arranged.

-- Posted by turning3 on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 7:43 PM

Harvey's truck is NOT FOR HIRE, says so right on the truck. So what is he doing hauling Tucker's horses anyway? Hmmm....

-- Posted by shaunthesheep on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 8:04 PM

I agree with everything you said, turning3, what I meant on the breeding is not just grade horses. I mean everyone. People should make sure there is a strong market for the type of horse they are breeding. Also, people should not get into the horse industry unless they are ready to take on the financial responsibility. Lots of animals go to slaughter because they lack training and manners. No one wants a problem horse.

-- Posted by shaunthesheep on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 8:09 PM

What can I say about Mr. Tucker. Sounds to me like he is a real mother trucker for sure. I guess I shouldn't be surprised about the callousness of these inhumane humans in this line of business. Too bad we can't do to them what they did to the poor horses. See how THEY like it. He'll get his one day. Him and his little monkey boy Harvey!!

-- Posted by horseavenger on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 9:56 PM

What is the DOT number of Harveys truck?

-- Posted by truckerbuddy on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 8:47 PM

Lightening your probably the KB's little buddy. There is one thing I have totally learned since moving to the midwest, KB's and horse traders out here would sell thier mothers soul to the devil if they thought they would get $5.00 more dollars for it. I'm not a tree hugger or an animal rights activist, I'm a person who is SICK of jerks like Tucker, lightening and others who LIE LIE LIE ...to cover their a_ _ @ any cost. Yep..all they want is the cha ching... and they don't care where or how they get it.

-- Posted by Siouxie Q on Sun, Sep 19, 2010, at 6:03 AM

Hell's alot hotter than 140 degrees Tucker!

-- Posted by mjwilson4978 on Sun, Sep 19, 2010, at 6:03 PM

What's the DOT # on Harveys truck?

Keep this going until we find out.

-- Posted by mjwilson4978 on Sun, Sep 19, 2010, at 7:27 PM

Siouxie,

Where have I lied ?

Who's KB? I don't know anyone with those initals.

So now I'm a jerk because I expressed my .02 worth as you have done also.

Name calling is so petty.

-- Posted by Lightning on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 9:53 AM

Just another reason to outlaw the transport of horses to mexico for slaughter.

-- Posted by DevorahAikman on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 10:29 AM

Here is the deal. There is ZERO local authority support. ZERO, several people have tried to contact them and work on the horse abuse and unacceptable housing the horses at Tuckers, and NOT ONE public authority or office is interested. Its a good old boy Network, and the authorities in Fort Scott turn a blind eye and DO NOT CARE. Its sad, unacceptable, but Tucker will continue to exploit horses and make money on them. Clearly a situation with lacking integrity or morals. But, again, NO ONE in Fort Scott Cares enough to do anything about it, this includes, the Sherriff and District Attorney.

-- Posted by ResponsibleOwner on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 10:51 AM

that sob his day is coming .... people are watching him like hawke. this just proves he breaks the law and no one cares! Enough is enough. HOw many horses have to suffer in his hands???????????? WAKE UP FORT SCOTT! When will DA step in??? What about the original news story. You all made fun of JASON Miller? Saying this was hoax about Tucker and animal advocates just looking to cause problems. Well this was real and now is the time to end it!

-- Posted by anti slaughter on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 2:17 PM

Let's refrain from opinion, and stick to the facts that we know. They have conflicting stories and Harvey's truck is NOT FOR HIRE. I don't know the DOT #. But I am certain that it is not for hire.

if local authorities are not resolving the problem to your liking, try contacting the prosecutor in San Antonio. That's where Harvey was charged. Also, contact Kans5 and San Antonio ACS. Let them know how you feel. Make it impossible for the town and State to push this under the rug.

-- Posted by GoodSteward on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 4:30 PM

the opinion is fact! AGAIN WAKE UP FORT SCOTT! YOU HAVE ANIMAL ABUSER AMONGST YOU AND EXPLOITING HORSES OUT OF GREED! MX. slaughters by stabbing and severing the spinal cord.. while horse is alive they are hung up and then throat slit. he shipps babies too! he is a monster!

-- Posted by anti slaughter on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 7:50 PM

for the record meaning colts(babies). before we get any rumor started.

-- Posted by anti slaughter on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 7:51 PM

I find Tuckers views in the article to be offensive on so many levels. His derogatory comments about "mexicans", and "Two Mexican women Veterinarians" makes a few things about him VERY clear. Keep talking Mr Tucker, just keep talking. You paint a picture clearer than anyone else could about you. You are a biggot, racists, and CLEARLY an animal abuser.

Also, in the first article about Tucker, he blames: the economy, the tree huggers, the animal rights activists, and the liberals. Now, in this article he blames: The Mexicans, the hauler, women, and animal rights activists. According to Tucker its EVERYONE elses fault and he is forced to take horses to slaughter........Ummmmmmmm, how about this. QUIT REPLENISHING YOUR STOCK to continue this disgusting form of income. How about you try to work, as in a real job. How about you make your living like most red blooded americans and WORK. If you feel so justified in what you are doing, why do you ship out in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT? I sure hope this doesn't affect your wifes real estate image. I hope people sit out on your patio for your bed and breakfast and sip their early morning coffee while overseeing your lot of starving and abused horses. Another point, you feel that since they are slaughter bound, then their last days should include torture? Apparently since they are slated for slaughter you think they no longer deserve ANY QUALITY of life? You should be ashamed of yourself. Sickening. Just my thoughts, and I'm sure this is also the thoughts of the majority...

-- Posted by ResponsibleOwner on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 8:20 PM

First of all, legal age at slaughter plants of Equines are 6 months old. Not only are registered horses going that are aged, but PERFECTLY healthy horses AND foals as well. Go to a plant and see. Go to New Holland horse sale in PA and watch how many healthy horses go. Think about it.. how many meat eaters want shriveled up nasty meat? I don't eat it myself, but it IS the healthier ones going.

Secondly, those horses on the trailer would have died from heat more than 8 hours without water. That's a BAD idea to go over 4 hours without stopping or offering water, but that wouldn't have killed them. Dehydration and colic would have (after effects). So these horses had to be in bad shape already to be emaciated. Its a disgusting story and I hope this scum bag gets nailed to a wall.

And yes, he SHOULD have taken them to a "holiday inn" ... look it up.. there ARE Horse Hotels! And if the moron had USRider, he would have been MORE than covered! And it's shameful for the ones who DID drive by without stopping to see what was going on. Thank God for the person who finally did!

Slaughter is a disgusting issue for horses in particular. I would dare ANYONE here to look up horse slaughter plants on youtube: Viande Richelieu Slaughter and Bouvry Exports and then say it's a well done business.Type in: Richelieu Part II of III at youtube

-- Posted by marygoroundhorses on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM

Some people need to mind their own business.

PETA stands for.....

P eople

E ating

T asty

A nimals

Oh, I forgot the fact animal rights activist go to the grocery store and get meat where its made..........LOL.

-- Posted by Lightning on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 9:02 PM

This is an issue about appropriate care for animals. Those horses deserved APPROPRIATE care for animals, don't try to cloud up the issue with PETA or animal rights activist, it isn't an issue whether you eat mean or don't. Its easy to get off track. Its simple. He does not give those horses appropriate BASIC care. ABC 123, its simple and not a complicated issue. FOOD, WATER, SHELTER. APPROPRIATE BASIC CARE.

-- Posted by ResponsibleOwner on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 11:04 PM

Please don't turn this into an animal rights, tree hugger, PETA thing. I agree with ResponsibleOwner. I am a horse owner and have been all of my life. I eat meat. I think PETA gets over the top on issues. I believe that we should have slaughter plants opened back up in the USA. I have never hugged a tree, though maybe I should because I like to breathe oxygen. Thank you trees!

I think it's ok to make a living from selling horses, including slaughter horses, but in doing so, one should also respect that animal and provide for its basic needs. It takes a small minded person to elevate himself above creatures that are dependent on us for their needs.

-- Posted by GoodSteward on Tue, Sep 21, 2010, at 8:01 AM

One thing that no one has mentioned here...there is absolutely NO money in horses anymore, period. Have been in the breeding business for over 27years. I gelded my studs, no longer breeding, but enjoy my horses. Horses have never been cheaper than they are now. So, HOW is Tucker, making any money by sending them to Mexico? He has to pay the hauler. I have heard of registered QH foals going for $5 at the auctions. I am of the opinion, that there is a much bigger picture here, than just the animal abuse. KBI needs to get involved. Fort Scott is full of drugs and they are coming from somewhere. Probably from Mexico. See a pattern here? Hence, why would they care about the horses? I would like to see what an xray machine could discover, if the horses were checked.

-- Posted by noabuse on Tue, Sep 21, 2010, at 6:01 PM

This is such a sad story and the fact that it concerns locals.

-- Posted by reader66701 on Wed, Sep 22, 2010, at 10:42 AM

poor horses

-- Posted by forward on Wed, Sep 22, 2010, at 1:39 PM

were there drugs involved?

-- Posted by forward on Thu, Sep 23, 2010, at 9:07 AM

Yes. and not only that but I heard the horses were terrible alcoholics and smoked 3 packs of cigs a day. poor horses. It's not surprising considering their upbringing and parents.......

-- Posted by like2b_onree on Fri, Sep 24, 2010, at 10:26 PM

IF THERE IS NO MONEY IN "HORSES" THEN WHY IS TUCKER IN IT? THE DRUG THEORY IS LOOKING MORE REALISTIC THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT. MAYBE THAT IS WHY HARVEY WAS SO QUICK TO ABANDON THE TRAILOR & HORSES! AS FAR AS "THEY ARE JUST ANIMALS", GOD CREATED THEM BEFORE HE CREATED MAN. SO, GOOD LUCK TO YOU BUDDY WHEN YOU ARE DEAD AND FACING GOD - WHAT KIND OF EXCUSE WILL YOU COME UP WITH FOR YOUR LACK OF HEART & INTELLIGENCE?

-- Posted by 3DN74 on Mon, Oct 11, 2010, at 9:48 AM

Talk is cheep and everyone has an opinion. Where is the action to stop this cruleity. Give us some positive commets to help.

-- Posted by Citizen4change on Mon, Oct 11, 2010, at 11:40 AM

Responding to question about USDOT - you can locate this as public information on a website at www.safersys.org; name search will direct you to the information on Tucker Brothers LLC.

-- Posted by baybeau92 on Mon, Oct 11, 2010, at 6:37 PM


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